With all the hubbub given to the original Ken Rosenthal story about Cal Ripken and Peter Angelos earlier this week, people have paid much less attention to the denial by Angelos and the statement released by Ripken.
Anyway, Cal addressed the issue again yesterday on Ripken Baseball, his weekly radio show that he and brother Billy host every Friday on XM's MLB Network Radio. Below is the transcript of what Cal said about the controversy. I thought some of it was interesting and the Rosenthal story (the meat of it anyway) looks more and more like weak sauce.
(This reads a little stilted in text form but I was trying to be as accurate with the transcript as possible.)
Billy Ripken: ...I just figured I'd give you some airtime here and talk about the O's...and you. Because that was a story and, uh, that was out there and I know that some stuff kind of happened and I saw your statement that was issued. It's nice that I read your statements instead of just ask you about it 'cause I know it's going to come out sooner or later. And, you know, the fact of the matter is, you played in Baltimore your entire career, you have a relationship with Peter Angelos, you're in the same city now that Andy MacPhail resides in and works in...you guys are bound to have conversations from time to time.
Cal Ripken, Jr.: (laughs) Well, we've made it a point to meet pretty regularly. I value his opinion on many different things and many times we've disagreed and we've said things, you know, and almost to make each other mad I think. But, you know, I was on a college visit with my son and I got up early in the morning and my Blackberry started blowing up with people telling me that there's this stuff out there. And I honestly didn't really want to deal with it then, it was the time to actually visit the school and really not take your attention away from what you're really supposed to. So then I had to come back and deal with that.
And my experience, and I said it in the statement, is when things go bad, when they go really bad, then this is when these stories have the biggest legs. And certainly there were some elements of the story that were true, certainly I've talked to Andy MacPhail specifically about a role with the organization and I've talked to Peter Angelos about that. And as I've said, you know, the talks are ongoing and they're continuing, you know, with no direct timetable but it's an interest. I know that I'd like to get back into the game, I think, but on my timetable, it is when my last kid, in this case, Ryan, goes off to school, I'm looking at that sort of timetable. So it's not really this urgent thing.
And I wondered if the Orioles got off to an 11-1 start, would there have been any legs to the story at all?
BR: No.
CR: You know, would it have even been thought of or brought up? But it seems like the intention of the story is to create some sort of rift and I think that the fact of the matter is that it was never said that Mr. Angelos didn't want to do anything for fear of giving me credit for a turnaround. That just wasn't said. That just wasn't true. But there were some elements of truth to it...was that we actually have talked and are talking about, you know, things that deal with the Orioles at the big league level so...that's all it is, nothing more than that and I don't have anything more to report. Matter of fact, I had dinner with Mr. Angelos last night.
BR: Uh-oh! Breaking news! Right here! Today! (chuckling)
CR: (chuckling) And then leaving there, one of the persons in the restaurant said "Have you guys cut a deal?" And we both kind of laughed and said "Not yet."
BR: Well, I'm glad you gave me that insider information because I'm going to be up here on the desk tonight up here in New Jersey at the network. I'm going there. "Junior had dinner with Peter Angelos last night." It's out there.
CR: Details to follow.
BR: Perfect!
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Saturday, April 24, 2010
Monday, April 19, 2010
Angelos Turns Down Ripken! Why Let Facts Get in the Way?
As you all know buy now, a Ken Rosenthal story surfaced on Friday that Cal Ripken, Jr. had approached the Orioles about a job in The Warehouse but was refused by Peter Angelos. A story like that is red meat for Oriole fans who pounced on it with all the enthusiasm and angst you would expect.
To be fair, if this story wasn't about Peter Angelos it wouldn't even be plausible. Angelos has made quite the bed over the years with his meddling, egotistical dealing with the team.
But it just seems like an odd story. The Orioles already work with Ripken in other ways. He owns the Aberdeen Ironbirds, an Oriole affiliate and Cal is involved with the Sarasota spring training deal with a Ripken Baseball Academy being built near Ed Smith Stadium. Why would they be so averse to partnering with Ripken in other ways?
Add to this the fact that Angelos, wisely, went public to deny the story and further stated that if Cal wanted to work for the team, he was more than happy to listen.
But the denial doesn't have the legs that the original rumor has. Even this morning, the Cal snub is being referred to by many media outlets with no hint of the denial. And even on blogs where the denial is acknowledged, the slicing and dicing of Angelos' words is hysterical (in more ways than one). "He must be evil! This must be true!"
But Peter Schmuck has it right...it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
Never mind that Angelos publicly rebutted the story and unequivocally denied that any offer from Cal had been made or refused. This really isn't about who actually said what and when. It's about a set of preconceived notions — some accurate, some not — that reached a hazardous intersection at the same time and caused another collision between fact and fantasy...
No matter how much Orioles Nation romanticizes Ripken, he has no experience running a major league baseball franchise, and he certainly has no experience in the kind of crisis management necessary to turn around this particular organization...
It might simply force fans to face an even harsher reality — that even Cal Ripken cannot save the Orioles.
And this is completely correct. I love Cal Ripken but he's not magic. It would be cool if he was involved in the organization, especially in the minors. And I'd like to hear Cal's side of the story. But this is hardly worth getting worked up about. O's fans are resembling Red Sox fans more every day.
edit: Cal has released a statement.
Nestor is looking to spin this as a "ball's in your court" volley from Cal...looks to me like they've had vague discussions at best. Cal also refutes the statement that Angelos did not want Cal to get credit for a turnaround in Baltimore.
To be fair, if this story wasn't about Peter Angelos it wouldn't even be plausible. Angelos has made quite the bed over the years with his meddling, egotistical dealing with the team.
But it just seems like an odd story. The Orioles already work with Ripken in other ways. He owns the Aberdeen Ironbirds, an Oriole affiliate and Cal is involved with the Sarasota spring training deal with a Ripken Baseball Academy being built near Ed Smith Stadium. Why would they be so averse to partnering with Ripken in other ways?
Add to this the fact that Angelos, wisely, went public to deny the story and further stated that if Cal wanted to work for the team, he was more than happy to listen.
But the denial doesn't have the legs that the original rumor has. Even this morning, the Cal snub is being referred to by many media outlets with no hint of the denial. And even on blogs where the denial is acknowledged, the slicing and dicing of Angelos' words is hysterical (in more ways than one). "He must be evil! This must be true!"
But Peter Schmuck has it right...it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
Never mind that Angelos publicly rebutted the story and unequivocally denied that any offer from Cal had been made or refused. This really isn't about who actually said what and when. It's about a set of preconceived notions — some accurate, some not — that reached a hazardous intersection at the same time and caused another collision between fact and fantasy...
No matter how much Orioles Nation romanticizes Ripken, he has no experience running a major league baseball franchise, and he certainly has no experience in the kind of crisis management necessary to turn around this particular organization...
It might simply force fans to face an even harsher reality — that even Cal Ripken cannot save the Orioles.
And this is completely correct. I love Cal Ripken but he's not magic. It would be cool if he was involved in the organization, especially in the minors. And I'd like to hear Cal's side of the story. But this is hardly worth getting worked up about. O's fans are resembling Red Sox fans more every day.
edit: Cal has released a statement.
Nestor is looking to spin this as a "ball's in your court" volley from Cal...looks to me like they've had vague discussions at best. Cal also refutes the statement that Angelos did not want Cal to get credit for a turnaround in Baltimore.
Tuesday, June 2, 2009
Base Hits: 6/2/2009
I was going to save this for the next Oriole Blogosphere post but these interviews with Jake Arrietta and Troy Patton make for good viewing and are a pretty cool "get" for a bunch of bloggers. Well done!
*****
Brady Anderson writes an op-ed piece defending Orioles owner Peter Angelos. Among his defenses:
The article states that....Mr. Angelos began his "notorious meddling" by firing manager Davey Johnson. That is not what happened. Mr. Johnson resigned; he was not fired. The dispute between Mr. Angelos and Mr. Johnson began when Mr. Johnson fined Roberto Alomar, unilaterally, and without the owner's knowledge or consent, for missing a mandatory team function.
I was really bothered by the Johnson resignation. I loved playing for Davey and believe the Orioles would have continued to compete for championships had he stayed. I also think that if Davey had really wanted to stay he was more than capable of convincing Mr. Angelos to retain him for many years.
OK, but you could conversely make the argument that Mr. Angelos was capable of convincing Johnson to stay as well.
That point aside, Anderson does make a few good points and seems to genuinely admire and respect Peter Angelos.
I certainly have my issues with Angelos as a manager but hardly think he's the win-draining diabolical monster some paint him to be. Nor do I find him a shrewd manager of his resources and a magnanimous owner who is solely responsible for the Orioles' success in the mid-90's. I imagine, as with most things, the truth lies in the middle.
*****
Spring Training update: Arizona? Arizona? What the hell? I'm fine with Baltimore training anywhere in Florida...but not Arizona.
Meanwhile the Orioles are still in negotiations with Sarasota and Lee counties about moving their Spring Training to Florida's west coast. Some commissioners are worried about how much money the Orioles will want in stadium improvements:
(Lee County Commissioner Frank Mann) is concerned that the Orioles may ask for at least $10 million in upgrades.
"If less, I'll kiss a monkey right out there on the steps," Mann said, gesturing toward the north side of the old county courthouse.
Now that would be an entertaining County Board meeting. Do these guys know how to party or what? If I were John Angelos, I would make primate smooching a prerequisite to move to Lee County.
*****
In the biggest no-brainer in baseball, Luke Scott was named AL Player of the Week.
*****
Adam Jones is back in Seattle. The Mariner fans react:
U.S.S. Mariner:
So, as you probably know, the Orioles have this center fielder who is having a pretty good season. Unless he falls apart in June, there’s a pretty decent chance that Adam Jones will make his first All-Star team this summer at the ripe old age of 23. He’s one of the core pieces of the Orioles rebuilding process, and if the M’s wanted to get him back, they probably couldn’t, even if they offered up the entire farm system and the deed to Mt. Rainier. He’s that valuable. And, but for some really terrible decision making, he could have been ours.
Seattle Times Mariners Blog:
Adam Jones came back to Seattle today with an entourage -- two burly guys standing by his locker in the visiting clubhouse at Safeco Field wearing Orioles' jerseys with "Jones" on the back.
OK, it was his brother and cousin, come up from San Diego to visit Adam -- who actually seems quite unaffected by the giant step into stardom he has taken this season.
"I'm just maturing as a baseball player,'' he said with a shrug. "Figuring out my role and not trying to do too much. Playing the game the way I know how to play it."
Which, as every wistful Mariners' fan is well aware, is good enough to make him one of the game's most exciting young players, almost certainly headed, at age 23, to his first All-Star Game.
Jones is the most hilarious deadpan quote dropper ever. When asked about coming "home" to Seattle:
Asked if he feels any special tugs coming back to Seattle, Jones replied, "Nothing. It's just a regular city. We're on the road. Just got to come here and do what our team tries to accomplish on the road."
In fact, he seemed to have more attachment to Tacoma. "I got to know a lot of the fans there, because I was in Tacoma for most of the time,'' he said. "They're great people. They treated me with utmost respect. I'd say last year was good for me, because they (the Orioles) gave me an opportunity, but I'm also glad I had the opportunity to play over there."
Hysterical. The Orioles gave me a shot in Baltimore but Seattle gave me a shot in AAA Tacoma. I really got to know the people in Tacoma. Not so much in Seattle. Awesome.
*****
Oriole Post got his recap of MASN's Oriole Blogger night up. Ditto for Matt at Roar From 34. Also Baltimore Sports and Life and Baltimore Sports Report.
*****
The highlight of Wieters Weekend for me was watching him get challenged by Justin Verlander and getting blown away that first at bat and then coming back the next time and drilling Verlander fastball off the center field wall for a triple and his first major league hit. Nice adjustment and it bodes well...
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Brady Anderson writes an op-ed piece defending Orioles owner Peter Angelos. Among his defenses:
The article states that....Mr. Angelos began his "notorious meddling" by firing manager Davey Johnson. That is not what happened. Mr. Johnson resigned; he was not fired. The dispute between Mr. Angelos and Mr. Johnson began when Mr. Johnson fined Roberto Alomar, unilaterally, and without the owner's knowledge or consent, for missing a mandatory team function.
I was really bothered by the Johnson resignation. I loved playing for Davey and believe the Orioles would have continued to compete for championships had he stayed. I also think that if Davey had really wanted to stay he was more than capable of convincing Mr. Angelos to retain him for many years.
OK, but you could conversely make the argument that Mr. Angelos was capable of convincing Johnson to stay as well.
That point aside, Anderson does make a few good points and seems to genuinely admire and respect Peter Angelos.
I certainly have my issues with Angelos as a manager but hardly think he's the win-draining diabolical monster some paint him to be. Nor do I find him a shrewd manager of his resources and a magnanimous owner who is solely responsible for the Orioles' success in the mid-90's. I imagine, as with most things, the truth lies in the middle.
*****
Spring Training update: Arizona? Arizona? What the hell? I'm fine with Baltimore training anywhere in Florida...but not Arizona.
Meanwhile the Orioles are still in negotiations with Sarasota and Lee counties about moving their Spring Training to Florida's west coast. Some commissioners are worried about how much money the Orioles will want in stadium improvements:
(Lee County Commissioner Frank Mann) is concerned that the Orioles may ask for at least $10 million in upgrades.
"If less, I'll kiss a monkey right out there on the steps," Mann said, gesturing toward the north side of the old county courthouse.
Now that would be an entertaining County Board meeting. Do these guys know how to party or what? If I were John Angelos, I would make primate smooching a prerequisite to move to Lee County.
*****
In the biggest no-brainer in baseball, Luke Scott was named AL Player of the Week.
*****
Adam Jones is back in Seattle. The Mariner fans react:
U.S.S. Mariner:
So, as you probably know, the Orioles have this center fielder who is having a pretty good season. Unless he falls apart in June, there’s a pretty decent chance that Adam Jones will make his first All-Star team this summer at the ripe old age of 23. He’s one of the core pieces of the Orioles rebuilding process, and if the M’s wanted to get him back, they probably couldn’t, even if they offered up the entire farm system and the deed to Mt. Rainier. He’s that valuable. And, but for some really terrible decision making, he could have been ours.
Seattle Times Mariners Blog:
Adam Jones came back to Seattle today with an entourage -- two burly guys standing by his locker in the visiting clubhouse at Safeco Field wearing Orioles' jerseys with "Jones" on the back.
OK, it was his brother and cousin, come up from San Diego to visit Adam -- who actually seems quite unaffected by the giant step into stardom he has taken this season.
"I'm just maturing as a baseball player,'' he said with a shrug. "Figuring out my role and not trying to do too much. Playing the game the way I know how to play it."
Which, as every wistful Mariners' fan is well aware, is good enough to make him one of the game's most exciting young players, almost certainly headed, at age 23, to his first All-Star Game.
Jones is the most hilarious deadpan quote dropper ever. When asked about coming "home" to Seattle:
Asked if he feels any special tugs coming back to Seattle, Jones replied, "Nothing. It's just a regular city. We're on the road. Just got to come here and do what our team tries to accomplish on the road."
In fact, he seemed to have more attachment to Tacoma. "I got to know a lot of the fans there, because I was in Tacoma for most of the time,'' he said. "They're great people. They treated me with utmost respect. I'd say last year was good for me, because they (the Orioles) gave me an opportunity, but I'm also glad I had the opportunity to play over there."
Hysterical. The Orioles gave me a shot in Baltimore but Seattle gave me a shot in AAA Tacoma. I really got to know the people in Tacoma. Not so much in Seattle. Awesome.
*****
Oriole Post got his recap of MASN's Oriole Blogger night up. Ditto for Matt at Roar From 34. Also Baltimore Sports and Life and Baltimore Sports Report.
*****
The highlight of Wieters Weekend for me was watching him get challenged by Justin Verlander and getting blown away that first at bat and then coming back the next time and drilling Verlander fastball off the center field wall for a triple and his first major league hit. Nice adjustment and it bodes well...
Monday, January 28, 2008
Friday, December 14, 2007
Base Hits: 12/17/2007
Add former Oriole Mike Bordick and former Giant Bill Swift to the list of former big leaguers who believe that players using PED's should be punished but deny ever knowing that anyone was using in their own lockerooms.
Forget the irony that Bill Swift won 21 games for the Giants in a season that Barry Bonds was hitting 43 homers in support of him. Mike Bordick played for the A's and the O's from 1990-2002 but never had any inkling that any of this was going on. Considering the teammates he had at the time I find that very hard to believe.
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Curt Schilling urges other players to fess up and move on.
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Forget the irony that Bill Swift won 21 games for the Giants in a season that Barry Bonds was hitting 43 homers in support of him. Mike Bordick played for the A's and the O's from 1990-2002 but never had any inkling that any of this was going on. Considering the teammates he had at the time I find that very hard to believe.
*****
Curt Schilling urges other players to fess up and move on.
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Andy Pettite: Can you strikeout a batter while sitting injured on the bench? No? Then using illegal drugs to speed your return to the mound is still performance enhancing. Let's not kid ourselves. (Same to you Mr. Gibbons...)
*****
I saw in Peter Schmuck's column today there was a letter to season ticket holders that announced rising ticket prices, (classic Angelos and absurdly laughable in itself) that Erik Bedard and Brian Roberts were (tellingly?) not mentioned as players to "come out and see". Interesting.
Tuesday, August 7, 2007
Where Are They Now?: The 1997 Oriole Draftees
I haven't done one of these in awhile so since there's an off-day, let's depress ourselves, shall we? Another Pat Gillick draft so brace yourselves...
Jayson Werth - C - High School - 1st Round
Werth is now in the Phillies organization and up until this point hasn't distinguished himself as anything more than a backup player at the major league level (he is a backup outfielder for Philadelphia now) but the O's traded him away for even less value than that. He was traded to Toronto in 2000 for P John Bale. Remember him? I wouldn't blame you if you didn't. He pitched in 14 games in relief for Baltimore in 2001 and the O's miraculously were able to trade this marginal journeyman pitcher for Gary Matthews Jr. the next offseason. Matthews spent a year and a half with Baltimore before being released. The Orioles would've been better off just keeping Werth ultimately.
Darnell McDonald - OF - High School - 1st Round
McDonald spent 7 long years in the Baltimore organization and finally got a cup of coffee in 2004. He is now in the Minnesota organization. He has hit .269 and OPS'd .721 in 10 minor league seasons.
Ntema Ndungi - OF - High School - 1st Round
Ndungi rose as high as AA Bowie in 2001. Never hit much. Out of baseball.
Sean Douglass - P - High School - 2nd Round
Played bits of three seasons for the O's from 2001-2003 with an ERA over 6.00. Out of baseball.
Matt Riley - P - High School - 3rd Round
"He's got a million dollar arm and a five-cent head." They were referring to Nuke LaLoosh but they may as well have been talking about Riley. Injuries didn't help his development either. He was traded to Texas for RP Gabe White who was way past being an effective relief pitcher by then. Riley is pitching in relief for AAA Las Vegas.
Shannon Carter - OF - High School - 4th Round
Made it as high as AAA but never learned to hit above A ball. Out of baseball.
Rick Bauer - P - Treasure Valley Community College - 5th Round
Rick had some success as a reliever for Baltimore for a few seasons. He was 11-14 with a 4.34 ERA over 6 major league seasons. He's now reunited with Matt Riley pitching out of the pen in Las Vegas.
Baleb Balbeuna - P - Long Beach State University - 6th Round
Did not sign. Wasted pick. Drafted and signed the next year by Seattle. Out of baseball.
Ricky Casteel - P - Northeast Texas Community College - 7th Round
Casteel went 10-20 with a 4.22 ERA over 3 minor league seasons. Never rose above low A ball.
Jay Spurgeon - P - High School - 8th Round
Got a cup of coffee in 2000. Out of baseball.
Top Ten Draft Pick Stats
Number that are\were regular contributors for the O's: 1
Number still in the organization: 0
Number traded for regular contributors: 0
Number out of baseball: 6
Diamonds in the rough: 1
Conclusion
Next to some other drafts, this one doesn't look so bad (but it ain't great). The diamond in the rough was Jerry Hairston who was almost good enough to displace Brian Roberts at one point but the only other player that was of any use was Rick Bauer. Except for Werth.
Jayson Werth - C - High School - 1st Round
Werth is now in the Phillies organization and up until this point hasn't distinguished himself as anything more than a backup player at the major league level (he is a backup outfielder for Philadelphia now) but the O's traded him away for even less value than that. He was traded to Toronto in 2000 for P John Bale. Remember him? I wouldn't blame you if you didn't. He pitched in 14 games in relief for Baltimore in 2001 and the O's miraculously were able to trade this marginal journeyman pitcher for Gary Matthews Jr. the next offseason. Matthews spent a year and a half with Baltimore before being released. The Orioles would've been better off just keeping Werth ultimately.
Darnell McDonald - OF - High School - 1st Round
McDonald spent 7 long years in the Baltimore organization and finally got a cup of coffee in 2004. He is now in the Minnesota organization. He has hit .269 and OPS'd .721 in 10 minor league seasons.
Ntema Ndungi - OF - High School - 1st Round
Ndungi rose as high as AA Bowie in 2001. Never hit much. Out of baseball.
Sean Douglass - P - High School - 2nd Round
Played bits of three seasons for the O's from 2001-2003 with an ERA over 6.00. Out of baseball.
Matt Riley - P - High School - 3rd Round
"He's got a million dollar arm and a five-cent head." They were referring to Nuke LaLoosh but they may as well have been talking about Riley. Injuries didn't help his development either. He was traded to Texas for RP Gabe White who was way past being an effective relief pitcher by then. Riley is pitching in relief for AAA Las Vegas.
Shannon Carter - OF - High School - 4th Round
Made it as high as AAA but never learned to hit above A ball. Out of baseball.
Rick Bauer - P - Treasure Valley Community College - 5th Round
Rick had some success as a reliever for Baltimore for a few seasons. He was 11-14 with a 4.34 ERA over 6 major league seasons. He's now reunited with Matt Riley pitching out of the pen in Las Vegas.
Baleb Balbeuna - P - Long Beach State University - 6th Round
Did not sign. Wasted pick. Drafted and signed the next year by Seattle. Out of baseball.
Ricky Casteel - P - Northeast Texas Community College - 7th Round
Casteel went 10-20 with a 4.22 ERA over 3 minor league seasons. Never rose above low A ball.
Jay Spurgeon - P - High School - 8th Round
Got a cup of coffee in 2000. Out of baseball.
Top Ten Draft Pick Stats
Number that are\were regular contributors for the O's: 1
Number still in the organization: 0
Number traded for regular contributors: 0
Number out of baseball: 6
Diamonds in the rough: 1
Conclusion
Next to some other drafts, this one doesn't look so bad (but it ain't great). The diamond in the rough was Jerry Hairston who was almost good enough to displace Brian Roberts at one point but the only other player that was of any use was Rick Bauer. Except for Werth.
Friday, June 22, 2007
Nestor and Angelos: Like Looking in the Mirror
Something Nestor said yesterday morning on WNST got me thinking about how he fired Terry and Jeremy this past fall and comments about how the O's treated Sam Perlozzo.
First, Nestor's comments from earlier this week:
...this is just three hours after they had him walking around town this morning looking and sounding like a fool, a dead man walking who was still under the belief that he wasn't getting fired as far as he knew!
That was the wrong thing to do in Nestor's opinion. This was how Nestor treated his former morning team:
Terry Ford and Jeremy Conn much to their surprise were fired. Somewhere just before 9AM the entire morning crew was asked to leave the building and not long after their return, the profiles and email addresses of Ford and Conn were wiped from WNST’s database and website and severance checks awaited them. Only Drew Forrester was left standing.
Hmmm. Guess these guys have more in common than we ever knew...
(photo from WNST.net...)
First, Nestor's comments from earlier this week:
...this is just three hours after they had him walking around town this morning looking and sounding like a fool, a dead man walking who was still under the belief that he wasn't getting fired as far as he knew!
That was the wrong thing to do in Nestor's opinion. This was how Nestor treated his former morning team:
Terry Ford and Jeremy Conn much to their surprise were fired. Somewhere just before 9AM the entire morning crew was asked to leave the building and not long after their return, the profiles and email addresses of Ford and Conn were wiped from WNST’s database and website and severance checks awaited them. Only Drew Forrester was left standing.
Hmmm. Guess these guys have more in common than we ever knew...
(photo from WNST.net...)
Monday, June 18, 2007
Fire Nestor Aparicio
From Nestor's blog today:
"I'll say this: God bless ANYONE who is coming into this situation...and really expecting to be able to make a difference!"
Wow. How hopeful you are Nestor.
"All McPhail or Trembley or Girardi need to do is pick up the phone and call any one of a HUNDRED people who have tried to make this franchise and situation better -- good men like Doug Melvin, Pat Gillick, Frank Wren, Jim Beattie, Ray Miller, Mike Hargrove, or Sam Perlozzo who ALL had a press conference like the one that is currently under way in The Warehouse only to be shown during the "tough times" just who is running the show, but also who has ZERO accountability for the many, many embarrassments and failures.
ALL of them had success in other places, but couldn't figure out a way to make it work here because of the man who owns the company and rules with an iron fist."
All of them had success in other places? Let's see:
Doug Melvin: Traded away Eddie Murray for nothing. Glenn Davis deal? Yeah, his hands were on that one too. Don't remember the O's soaring during that time. In Texas, he signed A-Rod to big bucks but also Chan Ho Park. He traded away Ryan Dempster, Dean Palmer (for Tom Goodwin) and Kevin Brown (for Tim Crabtree). He did nothing but make the O's and Texas worse while at the helm.
Pat Gillick: Had some of the worst drafts in the last 20 years for the O's. I have detailed this before.
Frank Wren: No argument.
Jim Beattie: General manager of the Expos...during their suckdom and decline of the late 90's. Awesome success story.
Ray Miller: Failed in Baltimore, failed in Minnesota. A fine pitching coach (maybe), lousy manager everywhere.
Mike Hargrove: Was successful with several future Hall of Famers on his team in the mid-90's. (Players in the mid-90's: Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome, Orel Hershhiser, Eddie Murray, Albert Belle, Carlos Baerga, Omar Vizquel, Kenny Lofton, Charle Nagy, Dennis Martinez, Jeromy Burnitz, Brian Giles, Jeff Kent, Sandy Alomar, Tony Fernandez, Matt Williams, David Justice, Bartolo Colon, Richie Sexson, Dwight Gooden. I could have managed that team to the World Series) He was mediocre in Baltimore and mediocre in Seattle...with mediocre talent.
Yeah, Angelos really held these guys back.
Angelos may be a coward (Nestor's words) but Nestor is an assclown.
"I'll say this: God bless ANYONE who is coming into this situation...and really expecting to be able to make a difference!"
Wow. How hopeful you are Nestor.
"All McPhail or Trembley or Girardi need to do is pick up the phone and call any one of a HUNDRED people who have tried to make this franchise and situation better -- good men like Doug Melvin, Pat Gillick, Frank Wren, Jim Beattie, Ray Miller, Mike Hargrove, or Sam Perlozzo who ALL had a press conference like the one that is currently under way in The Warehouse only to be shown during the "tough times" just who is running the show, but also who has ZERO accountability for the many, many embarrassments and failures.
ALL of them had success in other places, but couldn't figure out a way to make it work here because of the man who owns the company and rules with an iron fist."
All of them had success in other places? Let's see:
Doug Melvin: Traded away Eddie Murray for nothing. Glenn Davis deal? Yeah, his hands were on that one too. Don't remember the O's soaring during that time. In Texas, he signed A-Rod to big bucks but also Chan Ho Park. He traded away Ryan Dempster, Dean Palmer (for Tom Goodwin) and Kevin Brown (for Tim Crabtree). He did nothing but make the O's and Texas worse while at the helm.
Pat Gillick: Had some of the worst drafts in the last 20 years for the O's. I have detailed this before.
Frank Wren: No argument.
Jim Beattie: General manager of the Expos...during their suckdom and decline of the late 90's. Awesome success story.
Ray Miller: Failed in Baltimore, failed in Minnesota. A fine pitching coach (maybe), lousy manager everywhere.
Mike Hargrove: Was successful with several future Hall of Famers on his team in the mid-90's. (Players in the mid-90's: Manny Ramirez, Jim Thome, Orel Hershhiser, Eddie Murray, Albert Belle, Carlos Baerga, Omar Vizquel, Kenny Lofton, Charle Nagy, Dennis Martinez, Jeromy Burnitz, Brian Giles, Jeff Kent, Sandy Alomar, Tony Fernandez, Matt Williams, David Justice, Bartolo Colon, Richie Sexson, Dwight Gooden. I could have managed that team to the World Series) He was mediocre in Baltimore and mediocre in Seattle...with mediocre talent.
Yeah, Angelos really held these guys back.
Angelos may be a coward (Nestor's words) but Nestor is an assclown.
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